Posted by derekalexander on Wednesday, June 8, 2011 · 48 Comments
love this vid
Personally, my favorite HVGN video. Awesome job, Derek.
This and Roo’s Earthbound videos are amazing – These three are the definitive videos on this game anywhere. http://retrowaretv.com/16-bit-gems-earthbound-a-history/ & http://retrowaretv.com/16-bit-gems-earthbound-the-review/
i think you should have talked about Gygas more. that boss is SCARY!
Now why would he do that? That’d be spoiling the game for everyone who hasn’t played it and is very enthusiatic about doing so.
I remember reading a post which stated nintendo’s reasons for not porting the game to wiiware but instead of writing a wall of text I’ll just put in the link
When you we’re playing the Music Box theme at the beginning of the video, I thought you we’re gonna play… what comes after it….
I want earthbound but it’s rare, expensive and im not sure it even came out in britain
its hard to say what my favorite Final Fantasy 9. that game is boss
Chrono Trigger or Megaman X is the best soundtrack on the snes imo
im still going through this game, its ok. The NPC chatter isnt funny, Ness is a mute no personality at all, actually I dont care for the characters at all. I like that you can defeat enemies quick when your strong. The music is meh.
nice review! even though u really didn’t talk about the story. I think Roo (from the Clan of the Grey Wolf) did a better job talking about Mother 1, but u did a better job talking about EarthBound. and thanks for shedding some more light on the Mother “trilogy?” (Roo didn’t mention Mother 3).
Earthbound can’t be released on Virtual Console because of legal reasons with the music and he didn’t really explain how mother 1 and 3 came to be, mother 1 or earthbound zero is a rom dump of a prototype cartridge of mother that was going to be earthbound for NES though he got mother 3 partly right.
It can easily be argued that the music in Earthbound wouldn’t cause legal issues. Having similar-sounding music to older tunes hasn’t stopped, say, FF7 from getting released on the PSN, or every classic Sonic game to be released on every console ever. Nintendo are just being either wusses, or assholes, when it comes to Earthbound. They have no valid reason not to release it on Virtual Console.
Games like Sonic the Hedgehog and Final Fantasy have their own official music, were as Earthbound/Mother 2 has some remix’s by actual artists. Them actually selling it in the west would sadly cause them more damage and loss on their part. It’s understandable why they wouldn’t want too sell it in the west.
Actually there’s a lot of classic Sonic music that is basically “remixes” of older music.FF7 also has a tune or 2 that sound very much the same as some other older music. That’s what I was implying here.
If those much more popular games are safe, Earthbound should be no problem either.
It is released to the virtual console go download it and enjoy!
The torture of EarthBound not being released on the VC and us not getting Mother 3 still eats at me to this very day.
I found this game in my attic when I was 10. I was like woah I’m going to trade it in, and I did for Guitar Hero. Biggest Mistake EVER
I’m pretty sure that Paper Mario for the N64 also has the “win against weak enemies automatically” feature.
no it doesnt
it has a sneak attack gmmick like this game, grandia, and other games, but it doesnt have an instant win thing
this should be called by a difrent name
That review always been my favorites of all. My first video about Mother 2 speaks about this review because… well it just needs to. Only one thing though, you say “When there is a 100% probability to win the fight, you avoid it”. Usually, when you fought a boss to get a sound stone song, the enemies afterward will be scared of you, but you might be their level. I did easy level grinding that way near the end of the game, because XP was good but I could just skip the battle. And it made my life so easy toward the next 2 or 3 sound stones I still have to get before getting to the dream world.
So damned good! An excellent review for my favorite game from my childhood. Nice work!
I’ll have to disagree with the point made about modern games being to braggy about their plots.
While a simple storyline can be appreciated in itself, games like The Elder Scrolls or Dragon Age really seem to flesh out the in-game world and expand upon the plot greatly, which all in all adds up to the experience. It’s my personal opinion, but when a game has a backstory and mythology so rich as the one seen in elder scrolls (for example), character and moral dilemmas as complex as the Ultima series’ (ok, maybe not the best example, but you gotta admit, the plots in those games can get really well written at times), it’s always a plus. I do agree on the exposition part, since in games Like fallout its presence in dialogue can get incredibly forced upon the player, like the game wanted to shove all the narrative down the player’s throat. Oblivion had the same issue. But look at games like Dragon Age (the first one. God, don’t even mention the second one), where the backstory is mostly explained through lengthy side material and is completely optional to get involved (granted, dragon age can get ridiculously unimaginative at times, but it excusable on the precepts that it’s suposed to be dark and edgy. It fails at that though)
Overall, I think the presence of rich backstories has helped moved the WRPG genre forward, rather than backwards. In most cases, that is. The ones that don’t copy the popular game in order to cash in from popularity.
That out of the way, earthbound is an incredible work of art that should be preserved for future generations to admire. It is truly amazing in every sense of the word.
I love what you say about Earthbound/Mother 2 (I always mention Mother 2 because I love it and it’s how it should be called), but I’ll have to disagree with the WRPG genre. Today we bearly see any of these, why ? Easy. MMORPG. When World of Warcraft came around, the genre died because of it. I am a WoW player, yet I start to move on because it’s not as deep as it used to be and with the announcement of Mists of Pandaren, makes it worse. Anyway, I haven’t seen anymore of those WRPG games being released lately let alone a couple ripoff and folllow-ups but the genre died with it’s generation, while the pure RPG genre like Final Fantasy (and that is still debatable) and Earthbound (which aren’t comparable) seems to make a come back today. The new generation is starting to want to go back to the old generation to know what we’ve seen and they see much more depth in storylines and in plot and in character than made-form-market RPG we see today… FF13 was a nice RPG, but let’s be honest here… the commercial with that song, was the ending of the same very song and that singer became popular with gamer for producing a song for FF13… End. Of. The. Line. All about marketing today, who cares about storyline. More you sell, more $$$ you get, That’s it. Hence why even younger generation are targeting the retro gaming industry…. because back then we were not any money suckers… we just enjoyed a good game. That’s my opinion.
Skyrim is coming out in a few days, there was also Dragon Age (origins was a really good game, II was just average), there’s fallout (although I’m willing to admit that falls in the threshold of an FPS more than a WRPG, but I do agree on the fact that MMO games are killing the single player RPG experience. Now it seems there’s no point in playing a game and leveling up your characters, getting the best equipment if there’s no way for bragging about it. I won’t say that MMO’s are a cancer, since in themselves and within the realms of what they present they do their job of a massively ever-expanding world shared with more users, although the people who play them are mostly my only complaint about them since they ruin the game, no offense, plus the fact that there are too many of them and therefore it completely ruins the atmosphere since there’s like a gazillion heavily armored PC’s walking about or fighting.
All I’m saying is that while Mother 2 might be a fantastic game it is so not because of its plot but rather the way it’s presented (say it with me now, GYIGAS/Geige FTW) and the characters that move the plot forward.
For me, the only real RPG series’ that remains true to its origins is The Elder Scrolls, since it not only presents a magnificent single player experience and has a mythology so rich and deep it’ll take you weeks or even months to get to the bottom of it, and in the end if an RPG has the ability to immerse the player so much that he/she’ll start reading up on the whole universe around the game, it’s doing its job right.
While on the subject, the two things I miss from old times RPG are Role playing (which is mostly gone due to the lack of immersion games nowadays present) and non-linear standard adventures, a la Ultima. Every game nowadays seems to be too focused on the player creating their own experience and forgets a role playing game is supposed to BE an experience, so the plots are always threaded and non-linear and your character is as blank as a cardboard cut-out. Which isn’t bad, don’t get me wrong, when a game can present all those many possibilities to the player it’s good in its own right but when EVERY game in the market does it it starts getting pretty annoying, since there’s just no soul to the games anymore. The main offenders for this are fallout and mass effect.
TL;DR I agree with you but I stand by my argument about the plot’s lenght.
TL;DR really ? I did think you brought a good argumentation on the table. I do miss Ultima a lot (not Ultima Online though, that sucked although was stilla breakthrough into the MMO genre today). MMO is really all about questing, grinding levels, get better gear and brag, but then… World of Warcraft still puts a step ahead into plot immersion with it’s complex plot that is not actually really pushed onto you. I mean, yes, lately there are cinematics that brings you into the story of the game, but you can skip the quest text all together and just concentrate your objectives.
JRPG and WRPG are no comparaison. I mean, it’s like comparing apples and bananas, while both fruits are not the same at all. WRPG was more based upon the role playing that DnD-style brought us. You are the character, and you are inside that world as the player (a little bit like MMO). Also, WRPG are not that linear, but then again, depends on the title. If I think two (maybe bad) example, Diablo/Diablo II or Neverwinter Nights, they fall into the category of non-linear game persay but you still have one plot to do even if they are side quests, while if you look at Fable, its not linear at all. You don’t have one single plot to follow.
JRPG tends to be more linear but story heavy with deep characters, a good soundtrack, and such. Although, japaneses are also very much into visual novels, and RPG are basically a very much interactive visual novel, so, they put all the artistic side they can int it.
I am pretty much generalizing here, but I think both arguments are good. I do agree about the plot’s length and I do see where you are coming from.
I do consider myself an RPG gamer… quite frankly I have beaten 47… try guessing which game will be the 50th RPG.
There is a reason for the lack of a virtual console release on Earthbound; Copyright violations due to sampling of music from artists without permission, such as The Beatles, make it difficult for Nintendo to release it.
i would download this day one
I have played this game, and believe me, it is the very BEST game I’ve ever played. Also, the first game I was interested in enough to finish in 3 YEARS.
Great Review I Loved It And Lucky Your Happy
i did enjoy tmnt on the nes
personally this game sucks sorry but it’s battle system is just lazy completely lazy
you sir are a fucking tool.
what is the song called in the very beginning of the review?
Eight Melodies, from EathBound.
sorry but N64DD was to be CD or DVD on catreg like PSP UMD
that huge size RPG games need that
you can fix same games but not all to be from 700MB to catreg
Mother 1 was not fan translated, somebody actually found the US prototype cartridges.
I only got my hands on this game for a month,it was awesome the time I had it.
I loved the review, but it sounds from your lack of giddiness when mentioning Mother 3 that you haven’t played it yet. Let me tell you, holy fucking shit is it incredible! Earthbound is definitely a classic, but the sequel improves upon every single aspect exponentially: genuinely epic, original, and engrossing story; extremely memorable characters; somehow perfectly balanced gameplay that’s challenging with no grinding necessary at all (way less than EB, for comparison); so many EB references that you’ll be overjoyed with nostalgia, yet completely independent from EB; and a whole buncha other fuckin’ awesome shit. Seriously, anybody who hasn’t downloaded that masterpiece of a fan translation (which is utterly flawless might I add) is missing out immensely.
I actually played this game, because my uncle apparently had it as part of his old SNES Games which he gave it to me along with the Console, i couldn’t beat it until i went back to Korea 2 years ago when i started to Enjoy RPG and my God this game is good
I swear I friggin cheered when I saw you reviewed Earthbound/Mother 2. I actually found the game by accident and, since I don’t have an SNES, only have the ROM for it (On my broken computer, sadly, so I’ve never been able to finish it,) And even though I haven’t played through whole thing, I think it’s probably one of my favorite games. Hell, what am I saying? It is one of my favorite games. Even though not a single person I’ve met know what it is outside their knowledge from Brawl.
Quest for Glory, Myst, Legend of Zelda and MOTHER are my favorite video game series of all time.
You can in fact play the whole trilogy. You just have to get the translated roms and play it on an emulator
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