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10:45 pm August 10, 2011
| Turf
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| Super RDub | posts 85 | 
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I was just cruising around the dirty, dirty Ebay for NES stuff. Well, some of the "rare" stuff is out-of-control high. This got me to thinking. Isn't this stuff rare (in most cases) because there weren't many of the game made? If the game had been good (popular), wouldn't the company have made plenty of the game?
Super Mario Bros. 3 is probably my favorite NES game, and some consider it the best. Is it rare? Not at all, it's one of the most abundant games out there. It goes for $10-$15 because it's really popular and people are willing to pay that.
My point is, why do we keep paying high prices for these shitty games? There weren't many made for a reason. The publisher was doing us a favor and keeping Cheetahmen from us. I know there are a few good games that weren't popular at the time (Hell, there's a dude that has made a really good video series out of these games alone), but these aren't the rare, prize games.
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12:03 am August 11, 2011
| Danny
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They're only worth that much because a small selection of people are willing to pay that. I guess if they can afford it its just to say that they own something not many people do, or for completion sake, or just stupidity, who knows, haha. Like you said, I don't think most people would really be that bothered in getting a shitty game just for the sake of it being rare.
I do get annoyed by the other thing you mentioned though, how some games are priced highly just because they're good. I actually find that far more irritating or annoying than somebody paying thousands for Stadium Events or something. Like you said, something like Super Mario 3 or Legend of Zelda sold millions copies, yet you'd still have to pay decent money for them? As you said, people end up doing so because the game is good and stuff, but it really does seem backwards.
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12:11 am August 11, 2011
| AaronJamesPatterson
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Paying premiums for shitty games isn't worth it. However, there are enough people willing to pay these prices to claim the shitty rare games as a "trophy" that it keeps these types of games going for high prices. It's supply and demand. Since there are so few of them, it doesn't take too many obsessed people to drive the prices. up. Most of us may be sane, but it just takes a few obsessive collectors to make the demand outweigh the supply.
If the game had been good (popular), wouldn't the company have made plenty of the game?
Now we get into "popular" vs. "good." There are plenty of bad rare games. Games that were recalled, never completed, etc. But there are also plenty of good rare games. Games that came out at the end of a consoles lifespan, games that hadn't caught on with American fans at the time like early RPGs, and obscure games that were just overshadowed by their first party counterparts (many of which have never been released for download either). Such games as Panzer Dragoon Saga, Earthbound, Dragon Warrior 4, Little Samson, etc.
Of course then you have the rare novelty games, such as the NWC carts, competition carts, exclusive Blockbuster rental games, etc. These are rare because they were not your standard released games and are almost always the most expensive of the rare games.
To some people games are about the fun experience, to others it's all about the collection on a shelf like a trophy case, and to others (like me) it's a bit of both.
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1:17 am August 11, 2011
| S-Pac316
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There are some good games out there that are rare because they were released at the end of the consoles lifespan.
Like Aaron mentioned above, games like Panzer Dragoon Saga, TMNT Tournament Fighters(NES version),Shining Force III, etc. all get priced pretty high because they were produced in limited quantities.
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1:03 pm August 11, 2011
| Kevin
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I agree, I'm tired of seeing stores or people online try and tell me a game is "rare" or "hard to find" just because it was popular. Games from the Legend of Zelda series, Mario, Metroid, Sonic 3, Castlevania and to a lesser extent Alex Kidd and Wonder Boy games etc etc etc.
Just about anything first party on the SNES and NES really. Someone has three of them in stock for $15 each but they are "rare" then why do you and 8 other stores have three of them sitting there?
I have a big no policy on paying $15+ for looser NES carts unless it really is a gem. Just because it has Link or Mario on the cover doesn't mean crap.
Sadly the seller controls the price and nothing is worth anything until someone pays that much for it. Once one person does these things can snowball pretty easily.
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1:50 pm August 11, 2011
| AaronJamesPatterson
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Exactly. FFVII isn't rare in the least, just very popular. But places always say "Rare" just because it's a PS1 RPG. I guess it get's more people to pay the high price if they say "Rare" as opposed to "Popular." I'm fortunate that most of my local stores only label "Rare" on the legit rare games. Most of them price games at standard prices.
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3:16 pm August 11, 2011
| Danny
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Yeah its weird that they mislabel games as "rare" since its logical to think that for the most part, any casual gamer isn't scouring retro game stores/ebay/craiglist for 16-bit games, and anybody who is likely to buy the game is probably going to know what the games are worth?
I know that wont be strictly true for every single person and purchase, but hopefully people get what I mean. I can only assume its generally ignorance/naivety on the seller's part rather than deceit.
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7:39 pm August 11, 2011
| Turf
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| Super RDub | posts 85 | 
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I'm guilty of it. I have bought some really bad games simply because they are "rare". I'm actually really proud that I own Caltron 6-in-1. Why? Because you don't; that's why. I have several games that are reasonably hard to find. I bought Contra Force. I paid more than $20 for it. That game isn't fun in the least. I bought it to have, not to play. The Tengen Tetris was the same thing. I played it to make sure it worked and the packed it away. I have a fist full of games that I really enjoy, and about 500 games that are just there for collection sake. The original question was just me thinking out loud I guess. Why do I pay top dollar for games I'll never play? I'm goofy, I guess.
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8:21 pm August 11, 2011
| S-Pac316
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I would never buy games just to have them. I buy them with the intention to play them. I might have some exceptions, but other wise no.
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8:30 am September 13, 2011
| Afr0Blu3
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Collectors who want to own every single game ever made will pay these prices. I fully admit to suffering some this, but only when I comes to certain games. For example, I would love to have every Sonic game, but this means tracking down games like Tails Sky Patrol, Knuckles Chaotix, and Sonic Shuffle. Some Sonic games are just awful, others are just getting harder to find or in the case of Chaotix, were the only good thing developed for the associated hardware.
On the subject of price, it really depends on who you buy from, back home there were two retro game stores that were clearly run by gamers who knew what reasonable prices were. Out here there's a guy who wants £50 for a Mega Drive 2 with Sonic 1, and £18 for Resident Evil Director's Cut, but only £10 for Resident Evil 0 (original, non Player's Choice version), the kind of place where he overprices a lot of stuff, but frequent scouring will reveal a little gem he has no clue about and has severely underpriced.
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4:03 pm September 16, 2011
| Bryannintendonerd
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I'm still searching for a decently priced Super Metroid but other Ebayers are willing to pay 20+ for it, which I am not. Most I would go is probably 10. But calling Ebay dirty isn't accurate either, I've found many good deals on it like a $6 Mike Tyson's Punch Out off the top of my head. But seriously… Why is Nightmare on Elm Street on the NES worth $15-20?
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7:18 pm September 16, 2011
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10:41 pm September 16, 2011
| Austin
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Post edited 10:44 pm – September 16, 2011 by Austin
I think the retro gaming boom on places like YouTube have helped spike interest in titles where before there was none. For instance, with A Nightmare on Elm Street, I have seen a few reviews praising it. Of course, there are the negative reviews as well, but I think those may be even more powerful in making people want to try it. Case in point, the first two Zelda games for the CD-i–they have shot up to absurd levels in the last couple of years, at least compared to the $10 you used to be able to snag them at five years ago or so.
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2:35 am September 17, 2011
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That's just the collector's bubble effect. It happens with every medium at some point.
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4:25 pm September 22, 2011
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Post edited 4:31 pm – September 22, 2011 by NightStarX
My understanding of higher prices for harder to find games, aside from under-produced gems like Earthbound, or Suikoden II is that other games are just expensive, because of that: They're hard to find. Or just have stories behind them that are strange, or different from the norm in some notable way. i.e: Either not easy to get ahold of, or just have really weird distribution histories.
Also, not all expensive games are terrible games. In fact, from what i've noticed over the years, the ratio of good or terrible games being expensive barely even comes into it. Just games that not many people have heard of. Some are bad, but even more are games like Panic Restaurant, the aforementioned gems, or the PS1 game of Persona 2, ect. (Which I recently just acquired for a reasonably hefty $50)
For instance, Cheetamen II isn't really expensive because of the perceived quality (or lack thereof) of the game at all, really, nor was it retailers trying to keep the game from us, it's because of the unusual circumstances of the game's existence.
More or less, as the story goes, the game was never released, and boxes were found in an abandoned storage locker. Horrendously unplayable game or not, that's pretty weird. So this unusual game with an unusual history just sort of floated around like strange anomalies of history.
Or especially unopened copies of Stadium Events, because of it's weird history and extreme rarity, even though it's not necessarily that bad of a game or that good of a game. It's just an alternate version of World Class Track Meet that hardly anyone can find.
"Rare" games…. that is, truly rare games, are a lot like rare comic books.
The kind that are worth money even though it's just due to some weird anomaly, like an issue of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that was printed with an accidentally smudged printed page turning out to be prized issues of great value, versus those that you think might be worth lots of money like a first run printing of X-Men #5, but just turns out to be financially worthless. (Speaking from personal experience).
Sometimes NES games have their monetary or collector's value determined by the number of screws the casing has on them. While games with an interesting history like E.T goes for about….. 82 cents. It sounds random, and weird, and in a lot of cases it honestly kinda is.
But the reason that I always eventually came to understand that certain games are worth a lot more than others, are the types of games, that may be bad, or good, or whatever, but only a few select people in the world can actually raise it up and say "Hey, I have one of these."
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